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genericpuff · 1 year ago
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Webtoon Canvas is pay-to-win now, I guess.
DISCLAIMER: All of the series I show here is for the sake of comparing statistics and criticizing Webtoons' Super Likes system. I have nothing personal against these series or their creators and I do not want anyone to get the impression that I am encouraging any sort of action against these creators. The following rant is merely my own observations and opinions concerning Webtoons itself as a platform.
I found out today that Webtoon has implemented a Super Likes ranking board.
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This does exactly what it sounds like - it ranks Canvas series based on how many Super Likes they have. Whether or not this ranking board is on a weekly rotation (like the Originals rankings) or just overall, I don't know, but something immediately felt off with this system and it took very little time at all to realize what was really going on here.
When you actually click on the series listed here, it'll tell you how many Super Likes they've accrued overall. The first thing that made me raise an eyebrow was the fact that the Super Likes listed in the ranking boards isn't the same as what's listed in the comics' landing pages, but I chalked that up to a simple delay on WT's end as I can assume the ranking board doesn't refresh at pace with whatever Super Likes are coming in.
But the real red flag was this:
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Limitless : Untold is a series with 1,657 followers and seems to get an average of 35-45 likes per episode.
But it somehow has 1,715 Super Likes?
Anyone who's run a Patreon, Ko-Fi, Ad Revenue, or any other sort of revenue-based system with their content will probably realize how that doesn't add up. The reality is that regardless of how many readers / followers you have, only a small fraction of them will actually spend money on your work or to support you. Not every person reading an Originals series is FastPassing. Not every person reading a webcomic is supporting the creator on Patreon. This ratio is even apparent outside of income-based statistics - for example, not every person who follows will read new updates each week and hit the like button (which is why you can have a comic with 1700 followers that only gets a few hundred views and a handful of likes per update). This ratio can be influenced by all sorts of different things, but one thing that doesn't typically happen is for the ratio to flip itself in this fashion.
To put it bluntly: how can a comic with a high of 45 likes in the past 3 months possibly accrue 1,715 Super Likes since it was launched just last week? You've probably already come to the conclusion on your own, but for those who haven't: there's very strong evidence to suggest that creators are buying their own Super Likes to get on this ranking board.
That's assuming the worst of this, though - after all, maybe some of these creators just have super supportive friends who are tossing them a ton of Super Likes? It costs $1 for 5 of them, in this example the amount of Super Likes comes out to approximately $343 (assuming my math is right lmao) which isn't massive amounts of money but it's, again, still really impressive for a comic with only 40 likes on average.
Bu Limitless : Untold isn't the only one in the rankings board that's like this. In fact, the top three spots are occupied by webtoons with the same tilted ratio.
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But then, suddenly, after those top three positions, the following webtoons Super Likes totals that make a LOT more sense and reflect the usual ratio more accurately:
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The Little Trashmaid, one of the most popular Canvas webtoons of all time and the first one to hit the 1 million subscriber mark in the Canvas section has only accrued 355 Super Likes so far... and you seriously want me to believe a comic like Limitless : Untold with only 0.08% of its readership is somehow genuinely earning five times the amount of Super Likes?
I want to make it clear yet again that I have nothing against the series that have managed to break the system in their own favor. None of this is meant to "slam" them or judge their work or anything of the sort, I'm simply comparing the numbers here and coming to a very reasonable conclusion as someone who's well aware of how ratios like this tend to work in webcomics and content creation. It's just not feasible for the top three comics in the Super Likes ranking boards to organically earn that many Super Likes relative to the sizes of their audiences, especially when compared to the bigger comics that are only pulling in a fraction of that amount. The ratios of Super Likes : actual likes for those bigger comics actually looks reasonable and expected, the ratios for the smaller comics that are sitting at the top are not.
If anything, Webtoons has created a broken system and these creators are simply using that system to their advantage. And I'm not necessarily going to fault them for that because I can get wanting to do whatever it takes to get eyes on your work.
But it does raise the question of what kind of system Webtoons has cultivated here - a system where creators are resorting to Super Liking their own episodes to bump themselves up in the leaderboards.
And before anyone asks me how I can be so sure that these creators are Super Liking their own works - I literally opted into the Super Likes system myself and proceeded to Super Like one of my own episodes.
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(this is like the one helpful thing with my work still being on WT even though I'm not updating there anymore, it lets me test shit like this LOL)
So yes, this is a thing that creators can do and it would certainly explain the massive discrepancy in the ratio of Super Likes : regular likes for these smaller series.
This is literally pay-to-win. And who do we have to blame for this? Webtoons, full stop. Not only for implementing a ranking board for an optional monetization service while still allowing creators to use that monetization system to support themselves as a way to climb up that ranking board, but for creating this gross psychological dependency on the platform as the "only way" to build an audience, to the point that people are now paying Webtoons out of their own pocket just to have their thumbnail visible in a ranking board and maybe get some extra views (and 49% of their money back if they hit that $100 threshold). And on top of all that, further putting on the pressure of competition and 'exclusivity' among many budding creators who are doing what they do for free and for fun. Why are creators now being forced to compete in a metric that's solely determined by how much expendable income their own audience has?
Sure, at least this means creators can get themselves into a ranking board by their own power unlike the other categories that are hand-picked by Webtoons and / or determined by daily stats, but at what cost? The literal financial hit of paying for advertising with extra steps, and the ethical dilemma of essentially paying for potential views with microtransactions. This is no better than paying bots on Instagram to follow your profile and inflate your worth to those who aren't following you. None of it is real, it will not legitimize your work to throw money at Webtoons just to have your thumbnail visible in a ranking board. These are microtransactions meant to benefit Webtoons, not you, the creator.
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otogariado · 2 years ago
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also "pays UP to". you can get paid even less.
Wow that was FAST. Check out this YouTube ad I just got trying to hire scabs immediately.
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The fact that they're advertising it as hourly pay is so telling that they're hoping to just hire random people off the street. They're trying to prey on desperate actors who don't know that $180/hr for a fucking GODZILLA movie is the hugest rip off anyone could possibly pull. No rights, royalties or residuals but hey at least you'll get paid fucking nothing!
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deimosatellite · 8 months ago
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like idk it just seems actually nefarious to take one of the very few widely known instances of queerness in older history being a symbol to show queer people that we've always existed and aren't alone for CENTURIES and taking away the queerness from it. like. i know some people say that ''the queerness isnt important in the book" which i mean in my opinion i could go off for 10k words in an essay as to how basil's love for dorian is integral to the story BUT EVEN APART from that its really just. having a real explicitly queer character in such an old and widely regarded classic novel is HUGE for queer history and this is just. literally like. its 2024. why are you doing queer erasure to DORIAN GRAY
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shannonsketches · 3 months ago
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I saw someone on reddit a while back say that Toriyama wasn't a very good storyteller because he's more interested in jokes and I haven't stopped thinking about it.
I can't imagine people who think like that practice critical analysis or creative endeavors, least of all creating comics, and I'm going to explain what I mean using one of my favorite panels from the manga:
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Toriyama introduces two new villains who were only mentioned off-screen as being much stronger than Raditz. This one panel both introduces these characters and tells you right away:
The smaller of the two is the superior, based on his attire, the fact that he's in the foreground, and he's the one eating
The superior is callous, both because of his dialogue and the fact that he is the only one eating, despite his meal being larger than he is
The superior is monstrous based on what he is eating (my favorite set of details) -- at first glance some kind of insectoid creature, but upon closer inspection:
This is an intelligent, technologically advanced life-form that used both a gun and a ship
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2. Neither Saiyan is damaged, telling us even advanced alien weaponry does not harm a Saiyan (but Vegeta's armor is scuffed while Nappa's isn't, implying there was a physical if not futile attempt to stop him)
3. The arm is still bleeding, implying this kill is relatively fresh
4. The gun is next to the body, implying that Vegeta sat down on this person and starting eating them right where they died
5. There is a second body in the background that is significantly smaller despite being very nearby, which may imply that Vegeta is eating the adult but did not spare the child -- and if you're really into parallels,
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6. There is smoke in the background, Nappa is sitting on inorganic architecture, and the ship is on it's side, making the sixth most brutal detail that these two beings were fleeing from the saiyan attack on some kind of community, and not only did Vegeta not allow them to escape, he also punished them for trying to by EATING the one in charge.
Like what do you mean Toriyama isn't a good storyteller. This is a Debut Panel. He tells you how scary this new villain is without having to say anything at all.
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almondy-milk · 7 months ago
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a day in the life, more like a gay in the life
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crystalsprinklescake · 1 month ago
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Something that fascinates me about Adam’s character is that the creators are portraying him like that on purpose, so that we, the viewers, have no doubt that he is a creepy, sexy antagonist. What I want to know is whether or not Adam has any self-awareness. Does he see himself the same way the audience does? Does he know how scary he is? I imagine being raised to be a politician and constantly put in the public eye means that he’s always hyper aware of himself, and yet, he’ll randomly say something like “let’s have a dog show” and imagine all the skaters as dogs, just fantasizing about a little doggy skater au, something that’s actually almost sweet and innocent, and leaves you feeling like you will never truly comprehend what the hell is going on in that man’s head.
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proudfreakmetarusonikku · 4 months ago
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“dream contacted me saying he didn’t want it framed into him being like a predator” yeah he’s just willing to let people POST PORN IN FRONT OF MINORS MULTIPLE TIMES.
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redrobin-detective · 3 months ago
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This is an announcement and a promise: if you are a bad nurse, I am coming for you. If you are rude and judgemental to patients, deny them basic human decency you will face my wrath. If you take shit care of them, think you know better than not only the patients and your coworkers but the whole medical team then you cannot hide from me. I will find you and I will go toe to toe with you bc even the worst human alive deserves care and respect and I will beat that lesson into you and maybe make you grow a heart.
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horangslay · 7 months ago
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are you guys fucking for real? are you SERIOUS?
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antis have bullied Seunghan in quitting literally 2 days after they announced he would be returning...& FOR WHAT??? WHAT DO THEY GAIN BY BEING EVIL TO A 20 YEAR OLD??? the only crime he's committed is being a living breathing person who has a life outside of his JOB.
I'm actually SO PISSED off.
as a pre debut briize, for these 10 months I have found it difficult to support riize, because in my heart I couldn't stop thinking about that poor kid who was suffering for no reason. I told myself to support the other members, that if Seunghan wasn't immediately kicked out he would return. I thought about how much happier riize & briize would be once we were all reunited. I was so hopeful seeing the outpouring of love & support for him throughout social media. I was SO HAPPY when Seunghan announced his return in November.
riize is 7.
riize was always meant to BE 7.
anyone who is ot6, anyone who participated in the hate, anyone who wasn't ecstatic when Seunghan's return was announced: YOU ARE NOT A BRIIZE & pls block me 🙏
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milk-ducts · 1 year ago
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you can see the sniper i have trained on immortal in the background .
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starlight-eclipsed · 3 months ago
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Honestly if the chain saw most of legato's clothes
I genuinely hope they didn’t have to endure either the cheetah or cheerleader outfit
Because those two are their own category of questionable
The frost bite tunic,voe tunic (totk) kind of weird in fact
Like it looks like it would not do a good job protecting legato from injuries
When it really is just a cat girl outfit and a very short two piece with Pom Poms
Like that looks like drag and on one hand good for him for having the courage to wear it (most likely at a publicly viewed event at that… cheerleader is hilarious in the drabland because you can cheer people on with a fun animation but is more of a meme in the arena because it has low damage output…like how cursed thighs outfit mains sometimes appear for fun when it is the most ridiculous outfit next to bear minimum)
But also the chain probably would freak out if legato showed up in either of the three outfits in any kind of arena lol
First thing he has basically no armor in a gladiator ring of all places
Second they think he just a lil guy who is already in a bad spot with a horrible childhood (yeah the childhood part kinda true though ) being exploited for entertainment
And then also the fact that the whole stadium probably is having a blast over the eccentrics and depending on how much the announcer plays with the fact that a joke battle is happening
Yeah the chain is probably going to combust with rage while legato is trying to tell them to chill out and that putting on a good performance in a joke battle can be good publicity even when you lose most times (completely ignoring the fact that they don’t want him to have that kind of publicity or any kind of publicity and are probably just barely restraining themselves from burning the entire kingdom down over it)
Would be even worse if legato by that point realized that it probably looks horrible with the context of them thinking he is a lil guy then tells them technically he is an adult since the moment he entered the drab lands (accidentally not realizing just how vague he was lol)
While time has flashbacks of the time when termina considered him an adult for having a sword and completely hates the implications
Because by that point even if legato tried to mention that it was obvious legal and he was an adult
The chain probably would have taken it the wrong way regardless
He is just eternally a lil guy and it already happened to be a bit too long for him to reveal he is an adult
Oh, I absolutely left those out for a reason. There is no context I could put them in that isn't creepy for the child that Legato appears as, so while I personally adore the cheerleader outfit and appreciate the speed buff with the cheetah...Legato is smart enough to know what would've happened if the Chain saw those outfits. If Warriors freaked out about the Showstopper, those other outfits were a no-go. He'd rather avoid starting a second witch hunt thank you very much.
(Granted, the undersuit that comes with his epilogue outfit puts those options back on the table, somewhat. It'll probably be fine so long as nobody thinks about it too much.)
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conventiongoinglibrarian · 9 months ago
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SORRY FOR USING THE NEWS MEME I DIDN'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO GET YA'LLS ATTENTION!
Okay so this post is for Artists that are trying to save some money while vending at conventions.
A few cons that I've gone to have been charging extra for wifi access. (Extra costs?! In THIS economy??) This has lead to some artists/vendors paying the extra cost to use said wifi, or to use their phones as a hotspot (your phone bill!! nooo!!!) or having to switch to cash only (you might lose on sales! also having to do MORE math? plus the trips to the bank to get change?? 😭).
May I present to you: Library Hotspots!
This, of course, hinges on your local library having said service. Luckily, a good chunk of them do! Check your local library if they have hotspots to borrow. If they don't- ask them wtf why not? (DON'T ACTUALLY DO THAT. Write them a nice email saying you're a patron that is interested in this service. That will show their administration that they should invest in hotspots).
Okay so you've checked your library's website and it DOES have hotspots you can borrow- what now? Check the policy for borrowing their hotspots! They often let you know how long you can borrow the hotspot for AND you might be able to request one through an online form. (Listen I get phone anxiety so this is a bonus for me). Now all you have to do is wait to get a notification to pick up your hotspot, pick it up, test it out with your vending equipment (important step!), take it with you to your next convention/vendor event, use it, and finally bring it back to the library once you're done!
okay okay okay so those were a lot of steps. BUT! would you rather be saddled with unexpected costs of having to pay for convention wifi? I sure wouldn't with how expensive everything is already 😭
You might be thinking: "Weirdo-Librarian, why are you telling me this? What do you get out of this?" Well-
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excelsior9173 · 3 months ago
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rca is back on their copyright striking fanart bullshit again…
basically straight up said no one can draw the runes or vessel??? absolutely fucked
sorry fuckers, i’m putting those runes all over my body in tats and you can’t stop me
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gravesung · 2 months ago
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(rosé vc) i present to u... the ex
haruto was a senior in high school when chiaki was a freshman, so the relationship was ethically rocky at best to begin with. he was working as a T.A. for her history teacher; where the school's staff turned a blind eye to the bullying she dealt with, he intervened. which. for a teenage girl, that was literally all it took for her to fall head-over-heels.
dude's hard to read. even for Me as the writer. he didn't know what he wanted, and the power dynamic didn't concern him, so he kind of went back and forth between giving chiaki attention and icing her out, acting like he was going to accept or return her feelings and then rejecting them, and it left her confused and hurt most days. but she never really had enough confidence to confront him about it, instead letting herself be strung along by the only person in the damn school who seemed like he cared about her. and he... did...? in his own fucked up way? but he's really really out of touch with his own feelings and did not want to handle the consequences of making an actual DECISION. god forBID.
eventually, it was chiaki who broke off... whatever it was between them. a few kisses, a few dates. it just wasn't worth the emotional turmoil, and she finally had an out — she'd been recruited to jujutsu high and was able to leave it all behind.
they'd find each other again later — haruto isn't a sorcerer so she can't talk about where she's been all these years, but chiaki is unfortunately still susceptible to his avoidant-attachment-style bullshit. yes he has a girlfriend now. yes he would cheat on her and/or break up with her depending on whether chiaki knows or not.
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new-austin · 26 days ago
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Back to unemployed
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zaddyazula · 11 months ago
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obviously i love strangelove’s character but she wasn’t written well… as a woman or as a lesbian…
#i wonder whose fault that is!#yes they did a “good” job with the queer parts of her character (partly)#like her love and admiration for the boss and how she was flawed#but do we remember the tape with paz? when she was unnecessarily portrayed as being predatory?#yes paz was technically 24 but they all thought she was 14 so it doesn’t make a difference#there was literally no reason to portray a canonically lesbian character that way.#they did it at other times as well with her giving cecile private baths#like they seem to have went out of their way to make her seem predatory as many times as possible#yes parts of her character could be argued to have been written well. i’m not denying that.#but unfortunately she suffers from being a woman in metal gear! and then suffers even more by being canonically queer#also this may just be my memory but i think in peace walker you could go onto her model in documents or something and she had a model in a#bikini. like 😐#no woman in metal gear is written as well as the male characters are. and that is because of kojima being a fucking weirdo#so it does slightly annoy me when people choose to ignore that and acclaim the writers for being so “inclusive” or whatever other bollocks#because they weren’t. they were weird about queer characters in all the games.#and i’m talking CANON queer characters. because i’m very sorry but only a small minority of mg characters are canonically queer#and because everyone lives in mgs-queerland people assume because snake doesn’t get written horribly despite not being explicitly portrayed#as queer they think that canonically queer characters get the same treatment and they don’t#this is sort of the thing with raiden and raikov as well#in a slightly different way but the same vein#and i love headcanoning mgs characters as lgbtq+! i really do and i do it all the time but unfortunately it is not canon (for the most part#that’s enough of my rant for now#mgs#strangelove#strangelove mgs#mgspw#metal gear solid#metal gear solid peace walker#zad talks
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